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		<title>By: Tom Rogers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just new to your blog, Devon, and having read a few of your favourites, I&#039;m really impressed with the depth of human understanding you express when talking about yourself and your experiences. You are deep!
So relating the &#039;party&#039; experience you had has 
touched me deeply. In fact, it&#039;s infuriating! I wonder if any of the &#039;party-goers&#039; have read your account? I think you and your fans have touched on the basic social problem of our culture (and the culture corporate capitalism seems to create): personal isolation. So much of art and literature has been devoted to analyzing it and showing its disastrous effect on individuals and society, but it seems most people say,&#039;But that&#039;s not me.&#039; I had the experience in a New York bookstore years ago of screaming at a couple of older gay men(but not much older than I) when Bob and Rod were an item. They caught sight of the coffee table photo book and one said to the other,&#039;Look at that! We faced all the hate and discrimination so these pretty boys could come out of the closet to pick up the cash!&#039; I went into a rage! &#039;You ungrateful old (baskets)!&#039;,I said. &#039;You should be happy that the knocks you took have made a way for a younger gay man to free himself from chains of fear and shame! How do you know the depth of personal pain and shame he endured privately?&#039; Well, as you can see, I wouldn&#039;t be of much help in s situation like you faced with dignity and courage. You have a depth of self-confidence that inspires me, at least to try to be a better person as a gay community member. I wish you all the best in whatever endeavors you pursue. And yes, you should consider adding writing professionally to your many areas of interest. Oh, yes: I was asked to never come into that bookstore again. And the rage is mostly controlled by medication now. Whatever happened to righteous indignation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just new to your blog, Devon, and having read a few of your favourites, I&#8217;m really impressed with the depth of human understanding you express when talking about yourself and your experiences. You are deep!<br />
So relating the &#8216;party&#8217; experience you had has<br />
touched me deeply. In fact, it&#8217;s infuriating! I wonder if any of the &#8216;party-goers&#8217; have read your account? I think you and your fans have touched on the basic social problem of our culture (and the culture corporate capitalism seems to create): personal isolation. So much of art and literature has been devoted to analyzing it and showing its disastrous effect on individuals and society, but it seems most people say,&#8217;But that&#8217;s not me.&#8217; I had the experience in a New York bookstore years ago of screaming at a couple of older gay men(but not much older than I) when Bob and Rod were an item. They caught sight of the coffee table photo book and one said to the other,&#8217;Look at that! We faced all the hate and discrimination so these pretty boys could come out of the closet to pick up the cash!&#8217; I went into a rage! &#8216;You ungrateful old (baskets)!&#8217;,I said. &#8216;You should be happy that the knocks you took have made a way for a younger gay man to free himself from chains of fear and shame! How do you know the depth of personal pain and shame he endured privately?&#8217; Well, as you can see, I wouldn&#8217;t be of much help in s situation like you faced with dignity and courage. You have a depth of self-confidence that inspires me, at least to try to be a better person as a gay community member. I wish you all the best in whatever endeavors you pursue. And yes, you should consider adding writing professionally to your many areas of interest. Oh, yes: I was asked to never come into that bookstore again. And the rage is mostly controlled by medication now. Whatever happened to righteous indignation?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 02:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woah.
I&#039;m really sorry that happened to you man.
(I just discovered your blog, so I&#039;m sorry that my first comment is for a post from January).
You handled it much better than I would have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woah.<br />
I&#8217;m really sorry that happened to you man.<br />
(I just discovered your blog, so I&#8217;m sorry that my first comment is for a post from January).<br />
You handled it much better than I would have.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://www.devonhunter.info/archives/388/#comment-221</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaaaaahahahahaha!!!  &quot;There ain&#039;t nothin&#039; left when I&#039;m done.&quot;  LOL LOL LOL!!!!  WORK, Devon, WORK!!!!  lol

Oh yes, and that beginning screech that goes right into that booty-droppin&#039; bass/drum/triangle thing at the beginning of &quot;Gett Off&quot;---lordy.  That&#039;s the STUFF right there!  Glad to hear you&#039;ve used it!  lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaaaaahahahahaha!!!  &#8220;There ain&#8217;t nothin&#8217; left when I&#8217;m done.&#8221;  LOL LOL LOL!!!!  WORK, Devon, WORK!!!!  lol</p>
<p>Oh yes, and that beginning screech that goes right into that booty-droppin&#8217; bass/drum/triangle thing at the beginning of &#8220;Gett Off&#8221;&#8212;lordy.  That&#8217;s the STUFF right there!  Glad to hear you&#8217;ve used it!  lol</p>
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		<title>By: InterstateQ.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Headlines: At the week&#8217;s end</title>
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		<dc:creator>InterstateQ.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Headlines: At the week&#8217;s end</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 00:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Gay exotic dancer Devon Hunter related his story of an inhospitable Gay Atlanta. (Jan. 6, DevonHunter.info) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Devon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Devon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 03:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Gett Off&quot; is FANTASTIC for booty shakin&#039; in somebody&#039;s face. LOL i also enjoy is when the DJ fucks up and plays &quot;Nasty&quot; by Janet Jackson when I&#039;m on some poor sucka&#039;s lap. There ain&#039;t nothin&#039; left when I&#039;m done. LOL LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Gett Off&#8221; is FANTASTIC for booty shakin&#8217; in somebody&#8217;s face. LOL i also enjoy is when the DJ fucks up and plays &#8220;Nasty&#8221; by Janet Jackson when I&#8217;m on some poor sucka&#8217;s lap. There ain&#8217;t nothin&#8217; left when I&#8217;m done. LOL LOL</p>
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		<title>By: InterstateQ.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Oh, no they didn&#8217;t!</title>
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		<dc:creator>InterstateQ.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Oh, no they didn&#8217;t!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] one of his latest posts, Devon talks about the horrible treatment he received at an Atlanta party: Gradually, I was [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 13:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and Prince rules.  I must go on a tangent.

Someone needs to do some kind of dance, erotic or otherwise, to &quot;The Beautiful Ones&quot;.  But I bet people would complain and say it was too much of a downer.

Oh, and &quot;Get Off&quot; made for a lap dance!  Yes?  No?  Indifferent?

Uh oh.  Going off on a tangent.  

Have a good day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and Prince rules.  I must go on a tangent.</p>
<p>Someone needs to do some kind of dance, erotic or otherwise, to &#8220;The Beautiful Ones&#8221;.  But I bet people would complain and say it was too much of a downer.</p>
<p>Oh, and &#8220;Get Off&#8221; made for a lap dance!  Yes?  No?  Indifferent?</p>
<p>Uh oh.  Going off on a tangent.  </p>
<p>Have a good day.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 13:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was the stuff before that that struck me the most anyway, so I won&#039;t accuse you of plagerism.  lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was the stuff before that that struck me the most anyway, so I won&#8217;t accuse you of plagerism.  lol</p>
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		<title>By: devon</title>
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		<dc:creator>devon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 06:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i forgot to cite that last quote:

&quot;Race
In the space I mark human (Face the music)
Race
Face the music
We&#039;re all bones when we&#039;re dead

Race
In the space I mark human (Face the music)
Cut me, cut U
4 Both the blood is red&quot;


artist: prince
song: &quot;race&quot;
album: come
year: 1994

i better not claim that bit of art as my own. :) i don&#039;t mind letting my sources of inspiration be known. LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i forgot to cite that last quote:</p>
<p>&#8220;Race<br />
In the space I mark human (Face the music)<br />
Race<br />
Face the music<br />
We&#8217;re all bones when we&#8217;re dead</p>
<p>Race<br />
In the space I mark human (Face the music)<br />
Cut me, cut U<br />
4 Both the blood is red&#8221;</p>
<p>artist: prince<br />
song: &#8220;race&#8221;<br />
album: come<br />
year: 1994</p>
<p>i better not claim that bit of art as my own. <img src='http://www.devonhunter.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  i don&#8217;t mind letting my sources of inspiration be known. LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 05:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Devon,

&quot;regardless of race, gender, sexuality, class, or any other external grouping we make for ourselves, people are herd animals usually. that means there’s a pecking order. &quot;

Yes, the term &quot;herd mentality&quot; actually went through my mind as I was writing.  Of course you are right. 

&quot;one of the primary reasons i keep this online journal is to point directly at the hypocrisy in our culture that relegates adult entertainers and sex workers to a subhuman place on the totem pole. our services exist only because there’s a demand.&quot;

For some reason I thought of Ted Haggart when I read this part.  There&#039;s the ultimate dichotomy right there, isn&#039;t it?

&quot;honestly, i fear that when the day comes that the lgbtq community is as fully integrated as the black community in amercian culture that we will be doing this just as much as anyone else (and from an early age). actually, the agism (and in my exerience, reverse agism) in the gay community already speaks to us doing it.&quot;

But the hope that can be gleaned from that example is that people continue to evolve.  Just in my own lifetime, I&#039;ve seen more of the assertion of the individual in the black community, instead of the peer pressure to conform to some kind of monolithic idea of what it means to be black.  I&#039;ve seen the trends go from worshipping light-bright-damn-near-white beauty to the darkest brotha being the most sought-after (though that&#039;s with men, not women), and back again.  

I&#039;ve seen more and more black people begin to realize that for our own health and well-being, and despite the legacy of slavery, fumbled Reconstruction, and Jim Crow, at some point we have to take responsibility for the negative aspects of our communities, without looking outside of it for people to blame or reasons to give up.  And the world around us has changed.  And will continue to change.  

We all will always continue to be in the process of becoming fully human, I like to think.  People will continue to get free, and people will continue to get well, and people will continue to evolve.  

&quot;on top of all the other challenges we still face as a community, i honestly think that many men of a certain age are completely traumatized. most lgbtq people are walking wounded at some point in their lives, but i think the older ones haven’t been given enough of an opportunity to heal. many gay men practice unbridled lust, but the ones who came of age in a time when there was NOTHING for them can also be the most vicious (despite being the ones who often forged the tools that comfort their younger counterparts).&quot;

Generational PTSD, semi-diagnosed.  Yes.  This paragraph struck me deeply.  

&quot;don’t we have enough to contend with without consciously, purposefully, and specifically undermining each other? it seems to me that our puritanical culture is still doing a great job of separating desire away from the whole human and villifying it. healthy body? good. healthy mind? good. healthy heart? good. healthy job? good. healthy realtionships? good. healthy spirit? good. healthy sex drive? WARNING WARNING, DANGER WILL ROBERTSON!&quot;

Sometimes I just quote stuff because it deserves repeating. 

&quot;at any rate, the short, familiar replies are just as welcome as the cerebral ones. this space is for discussing the phenomenon of adult entertainment and the way the people who do it are treated. there’s not any way that a thorough response isn’t only welcome but encouraged.&quot;

Noted.  Thank you.  :-)

&quot;i also feel that there’s not a reason why a black straight woman can’t speak truth to a white gay man. you don’t strike me as the type of person to make cheap shots about these situations, so i’d invite you to feel less obliged to include all the “i’m not gay, so i don’t know…” introductions to your ideas. your observations are real, accurate, and valid, even if white gay men don’t want to hear them. i trust you to be the smart, sensitive woman you are.&quot;

Wow.  You kick ass.  

Anyway, noted.  No more self-concious fumbling.

&quot;one aspect of being an adult entertainer that i specifically value: i’ve learned that everyone desires and rejects. it’s all part of a cycle, and everyone craves connection on some level. i don’t regret being sensitive to people’s feelings, i just wish they’d return the favor more often. we’re all bones when we’re dead.&quot;

This is what I meant by art, sweetheart.  G_ddamn.  

Thanks,

Jen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Devon,</p>
<p>&#8220;regardless of race, gender, sexuality, class, or any other external grouping we make for ourselves, people are herd animals usually. that means there’s a pecking order. &#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, the term &#8220;herd mentality&#8221; actually went through my mind as I was writing.  Of course you are right. </p>
<p>&#8220;one of the primary reasons i keep this online journal is to point directly at the hypocrisy in our culture that relegates adult entertainers and sex workers to a subhuman place on the totem pole. our services exist only because there’s a demand.&#8221;</p>
<p>For some reason I thought of Ted Haggart when I read this part.  There&#8217;s the ultimate dichotomy right there, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>&#8220;honestly, i fear that when the day comes that the lgbtq community is as fully integrated as the black community in amercian culture that we will be doing this just as much as anyone else (and from an early age). actually, the agism (and in my exerience, reverse agism) in the gay community already speaks to us doing it.&#8221;</p>
<p>But the hope that can be gleaned from that example is that people continue to evolve.  Just in my own lifetime, I&#8217;ve seen more of the assertion of the individual in the black community, instead of the peer pressure to conform to some kind of monolithic idea of what it means to be black.  I&#8217;ve seen the trends go from worshipping light-bright-damn-near-white beauty to the darkest brotha being the most sought-after (though that&#8217;s with men, not women), and back again.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen more and more black people begin to realize that for our own health and well-being, and despite the legacy of slavery, fumbled Reconstruction, and Jim Crow, at some point we have to take responsibility for the negative aspects of our communities, without looking outside of it for people to blame or reasons to give up.  And the world around us has changed.  And will continue to change.  </p>
<p>We all will always continue to be in the process of becoming fully human, I like to think.  People will continue to get free, and people will continue to get well, and people will continue to evolve.  </p>
<p>&#8220;on top of all the other challenges we still face as a community, i honestly think that many men of a certain age are completely traumatized. most lgbtq people are walking wounded at some point in their lives, but i think the older ones haven’t been given enough of an opportunity to heal. many gay men practice unbridled lust, but the ones who came of age in a time when there was NOTHING for them can also be the most vicious (despite being the ones who often forged the tools that comfort their younger counterparts).&#8221;</p>
<p>Generational PTSD, semi-diagnosed.  Yes.  This paragraph struck me deeply.  </p>
<p>&#8220;don’t we have enough to contend with without consciously, purposefully, and specifically undermining each other? it seems to me that our puritanical culture is still doing a great job of separating desire away from the whole human and villifying it. healthy body? good. healthy mind? good. healthy heart? good. healthy job? good. healthy realtionships? good. healthy spirit? good. healthy sex drive? WARNING WARNING, DANGER WILL ROBERTSON!&#8221;</p>
<p>Sometimes I just quote stuff because it deserves repeating. </p>
<p>&#8220;at any rate, the short, familiar replies are just as welcome as the cerebral ones. this space is for discussing the phenomenon of adult entertainment and the way the people who do it are treated. there’s not any way that a thorough response isn’t only welcome but encouraged.&#8221;</p>
<p>Noted.  Thank you.  <img src='http://www.devonhunter.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8220;i also feel that there’s not a reason why a black straight woman can’t speak truth to a white gay man. you don’t strike me as the type of person to make cheap shots about these situations, so i’d invite you to feel less obliged to include all the “i’m not gay, so i don’t know…” introductions to your ideas. your observations are real, accurate, and valid, even if white gay men don’t want to hear them. i trust you to be the smart, sensitive woman you are.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow.  You kick ass.  </p>
<p>Anyway, noted.  No more self-concious fumbling.</p>
<p>&#8220;one aspect of being an adult entertainer that i specifically value: i’ve learned that everyone desires and rejects. it’s all part of a cycle, and everyone craves connection on some level. i don’t regret being sensitive to people’s feelings, i just wish they’d return the favor more often. we’re all bones when we’re dead.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is what I meant by art, sweetheart.  G_ddamn.  </p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Jen</p>
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