Hetero guys don’t wind up doing gay porn or having sex with men and who believes this anyway?

I know that some bisexual and even gay men do fantasize and obsess about having sex with an actual hetero/straight guy but unless you’re in prison and someone’s b!tch and they’re just turning you out for power/control over you, it’s not going to happen.

I’m fine with people having these fantasies but that’s all they are.

You say there is contraction. That was my exact point. Isn’t it contraction and double standards to say go to a protest about sweat shops in Asia wearing Nike? All I am saying is I agree with your assessments and stories, it makes me think twice about issues, and that in itself is to me very healthy to consider your views.

PS I really can’t see how you are being mean, isn’t it part of American (and hopefully Australian) culture and society, and the internet that we say what we want with responsibility? I am saying again, your story about Sean Cody is fine, as is anyone who criticises their practices, that’s democracy, but I cannot lie and say I won’t look at that site. But again, maybe I will take it on board I dislike their practices so much from what you said I won’t look at their work. At this stage I am deciding with the views of you and others. The point is, you have made me aware and think about an issue, gay for pay, that does not rate much of an eyebrow in Australia. And from what I see on the net this issue, at least in the UK and USA is important to gay men.

I cannot understand why anyone would hate you? Is it more a power rather than a morality issue? You expressed a view what’s the big deal? Has it stopped gay men watching Sean cody? Some but realistically not all.

Another point is this:

Gay men who lust after “straight” guys only reflects the self hating, low self esteem identity issues that many gay men suffer from.

I lust after straight guys on the net on sites like Sean’s but I don’t go into a straight bar and start pawing at the guys. I can see low self esteem is linked to that, but I don’t agree that I like Sean Cody’s site therefore I have low self esteem. Does not wash with me.

The only other thing Devon is that you describe the culture of Sean Cody’s very well. To me it’s not a sexual issue but the same issue that faces a lot of workplaces – staff not respected, limited funds, overworked, underpaid. That to me is more to be condemed rather than having straight guys out of their depth. But again as I posted on the other blog entry, does the fact children make our DKNY jeans or whatever in sweat shops underpaid stop us from buying them. No. It can with some, but overall it wont’.

I am not saying Sean Cody is a great place to work, but I like their stuff but to me just because I like watching their stuff why should I stop just on the basis of anti SC postings? But also, why should I judge you as wrong for doing so? Frankly, maybe the porn industry should be regulated more, I don’t know the answer but what I do know is you are fine with your postings but again, I like Sean’s work. How do I reconcile that? At the moment I have no idea.

Wow! You obviously have an issue with Queer Studies. People should be able to articulate an opinion however they want and if it is done eloquently, it shouldn’t be dismissed as some Theorist’s rant. Brother David, I encourage you to re-examine your thought process behind your post.

With respect,

Osvaldo

Brilliant! Thank you so much for your exposing of Seancody.com. Ironically, your expose is so much more a criticism of us—gay men, as it is about the seancody website. Gay men who lust after “straight” guys only reflects the self hating, low self esteem identity issues that many gay men suffer from. The only fault that the owners Seancody.com have is exploiting that self hate that gay men have for monetary gain.

It seems to me that you are as guilty of fundamentalist fervor toward NOT hearing me, as I am in trying to make a point you don’t like. We are both guilty, if I am. If you are going to break this conversation down into absolutes that cannot intermingle, then I am not going to bother replying to you again.

I do have one specific question: Why would a gay man be so opposed to the thoughts and discussions, collectively known as “Queer Theory,” that help to bring a critical examination of our collective lives and experiences into the public arena? Before we can go any further, I need you to tell me WHY you are against intellectualizing this issue.

A good example:

“I fear; however, that my experience with SC may have infected me with some homophobia . ..”

You fear that you may have thoughts that are forbidden. And you think that you can be “infected” with thoughts and opinions against your will. Thus, the thought-crime must be purged and the external satanic force that has infected you (SC) must be banished from the mind. You should apply for a high-level post in the Catholic Church. You have the right mindset.

DH, your thoughts come from you. Don’t blame others if you can’t live up to your own narrow “queer studies” vision human sexuality.